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Not so cutting edge claudia 3/7/08 9:57 AM
RE: Not so cutting edge philip 3/7/08 11:01 AM
RE: Not so cutting edge dave 3/7/08 1:52 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge martin 3/7/08 2:29 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge Anonymous 3/7/08 3:08 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge Steve 3/7/08 3:24 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge Mick 3/7/08 4:41 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge jon 3/7/08 5:29 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge Paul 3/10/08 10:04 AM
RE: Not so cutting edge mike 3/10/08 3:54 PM
RE: Not so cutting edge David 3/12/08 4:20 PM
Agents get a more sympathetic hearing but customer frustrations remain the keith 3/25/08 3:48 PM
Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 9:57 AM

I feel that Channel 4's Cutting Edge programme only served to highlight the problems that consumers have with call centres and did nothing to examine possible solutions. What do you think?

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 11:01 AM as a reply to claudia.

Phone Rage made a valiant attempt to show the often neglected side of the call centre story, but largely missed the point.

Yes the fact is that, call centre agents still have to endure frustrated customers – and that may never change and the program certainly highlighted our long held opinion that call centres, (increasingly referred to as contact centres as consumer preferences shift from simply voice to a wider range of Email, Phone and Internet channels as a means of contact) have the power to transform relationships that brands have with their customers.

However the program missed the opportunity to make an important point namely that, today in customer service: it’s all about RESOLUTION. Achieving closure for the customer. And to do this brands must use their contact centres to help them understand why the customer was calling, and not just adopt language to pacify them, but this is almost like sticking a big plaster over the bigger issue of why was the customer frustrated in the first place!?

All the customers featured in the program were united in the fact that they just wanted their issue resolved. Having to repeat themselves, being passed from pillar to post, enduring endless queues, were all merely contributing to the core issue – be it a missing phone or an incorrect bill.

Of course it’s important the agents are able to empathise with customers (our agents undergo listening psychometric to profile their listening style to match them with the brand project they will be most successful on)

But the main learning from the program needs to be that contact centres are now a fact of life, and they have proven themselves as profitable, convenient and essential parts of the brand DNA – but the onus is on the organisations themselves to use the contact centre to listen to WHY their customers are calling and evolve their practices where possible to improve customer perceptions – perceptions which typically are formed before the contact centre is involved!

The program compounded the fears that contact centres too often the focus is on traditional measures of speed of answer, over the more important measures of resolution and customer satisfaction.

Philip Shuldham-Legh, MD, The Listening Company Consulting

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 1:52 PM as a reply to claudia.

I found the programme a bit shallow and struggled to understand exactly what point they were trying to make. There is an interesting article that sums up how I feel too -
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article3497027.ece

One thing that I did find interesting was the comment that a couple of the customers made recognising that the issues that they had were not related to the poor agent that was trying to handle the call ("I know it's not your fault but....."). Too many contact centres still ignore the fact that the call centre is the ears (and mouth) of the company and the agents have the best view of internal issues (process, product, price, etc) within the company that are causing people to call. Unfortunately, they usually dont have any way to feed these issues back, nor are they ever asked! If more companies took notice of the reasons why customers were calling and actually fixed the root cause, rather than teaching the agents how to deal with the calls empathetically, then customer experience would be vastly improved.

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 2:29 PM as a reply to claudia.

The first thing that is most predictable about these types of media stories is the reaction from the industry that is being held up for scrutiny. Typically the response is defensive based on the belief that the criticism is unbalanced and that there are plenty of positive examples that are overlooked.

Such argument in today’s media centric world is naïve and irrelevant. ‘Bad’ news always trumps ‘good’ news. It’s a ‘what’s so’ of the human psyche we prefer to hear about our world in this way. So back to our own problems in the customer service world, we need to ‘get on the programme’ as they say over the pond if we want to make headway.

The start point of our response ought to be that from the media’s point of view they will always argue that there is no smoke without fire and they are only reflecting what is already going on. In other words there is substance to their claims regardless of how representative it may or may not be of the sum total of customers’ experience. Why?. Because no programme maker is going to invest budget and airtime on issues that fail to resonate and therefore result in decent viewing figures. That’s the KPI they must survive!

Second point we ought to consider is how to tease apart who should be taking responsibility for these service failures. Agent rudeness, failure to call back and the like, clearly rest with call centre management even if the root cause of the issue belongs in someone else’s camp. However as we are all fond of saying, the call centre remains the messenger and therefore gets shot because they are the only visible target for customers to vent their angst at. In this sense call centre workers are in the same predicament as public service workers such police, fire brigade and hospital workers who face abuse as a by product of trying to help and make things better. Illogical, unfair but a reality in today’s world.



Listening to the issues on the Channel 4 programme reveals many were process/policy related which are not the direct responsibility of the call centre itself. Going berserk about billing in relation to an old address is a problem between the customer address database, the agent desktop and the policy that drives the business rules about what should happen when a customer moves or in this case what should happen if the default process fails to work as an automated corrective action. Who owns that problem?

No doubt it is recognised and sits somewhere way down the snagging list of things to put right for central IT support and an item that appears on the joint agenda when customer service management meet up at general management level and discuss the problem with their colleagues in billing and Finance. Problem is it’s still an open wound and a cause for complain and opportunity for media amplification.

So I come back to my current soapbox on board accountability. Right now as these examples show, no-one is to blame because the problem sits in the gap between the organisational silos. Agents are the whipping post for customer frustration and the people with the muscle to reprioritise and eliminate root causes are too snug in the centre of their organisational empires to feel the pain.

I’m sure all those customers will magically find their problems resolved in the next few days if not already, as PR kicks into damage limitation and overrides the system to get the right people to fix things. Maybe the only lesson learnt will be for customers themselves who recognise that the way to get a result is to embarrass brands by going public.

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 3:08 PM as a reply to claudia.

Hi,

Yes was a pretty poor effort to get accross the actuall call center workers side...

Or though I did like the idea of the above the line language...??

anyone have any materials on that ??

Chels

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 3:24 PM as a reply to claudia.

At least this programme tried to show people what happens on the other side of the fence; it wasn't just trying to put the boot in. The target audience for this programme was the public who generally don't understand the first thing about contact centres, and in educating them on the reality and constraints of the agent role, I found it to be quite effective. As a popular programme, with a non-specialist audience, it is impossible to go into too much detail in an hour. Unsurprsingly, the programme makers were also more concerned about the combative human interest element than the failure of business processes that was causing this...

Taken for what it was - a general view of contact centres and the people working in them - I felt the programme was fairly positive, at least towards agents, and might make people think twice before shouting at someone on their next call.

Steve Morrell (ContactBabel)

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 4:41 PM as a reply to claudia.

I'll tell you what this program did for me, it made me cringe even more than David Brent in The Office, by the way, was the TL from First Direct his long lost brother??

Did we really have to see a whole Call Centre throwing balls around while customers go about their business? Now the customer has reason to think it’s a kid messing around on the phone while they try to give advice on looking after your money, something that takes a lot of relationship building and trust. Its fantastic to have a fun atmosphere, but it is done for a reason, and its not just because people perform better, its down to keeping hold of people for longer so you have experienced guys there and improve your service. It has to be a place you want to come and work and I didn't hear this mentioned.

Perceptions a great thing and giving your customer one that gives the impression that there’s a professional on the end of phone that can add value or save you money has just been minimised. It would now appear that all we need to do is sell to everyone that calls up for a general query, and you'll be recognised as a star. I just feel that this is going to make customers wary in calling and also ready with a "No thank you" as soon as they hear anything like a sales pitch.

Overseas Call Centres, I've worked in them and I don't think I've ever been in one that had agents that were as hard to understand as the ones shown. I found it hard without the added problem of it being over the phone with any noise in the background.

So to recap, I used to be proud to tell people I build Call Centres, but now, I just hope not too many watched it.

Sorry for the rant, but we've come along way in past few years, and CC's are here to stay, and Channel 4 painted a picture of cost saving at the expense of the customer. It’s going to take a while yet to get back the trust and relationship we need to have with the customer since moving offshore with massive impact on the experience, but it is acceptable if managed correctly.

We just need the customer to get back to the thought that they are calling people of the same calibre that were in the branches, with the added benefit that it can be 24/7 and not 9 to 5. Lets hope there’s another attempt at this type of film, but done a little more effectively. It’s a shame we're a society that thrives on seeing others fail!!

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/7/08 5:29 PM as a reply to Mick.

I spent most of the week looking forward to this program (according to my fiancé this makes me sad) and wondered how balanced the presentation of consumer/company/agent views would end up coming across- I was neither disappointed nor amazed.

I agree with the previous post in the sense that it will probably encourage the general public to be a little more sympathetic towards agents, and see them more as a channel through which they can resolve a problem they have encountered on their journey as a customer. Let’s hope that it helps this to happen in a less abrasive way than the interaction recordings we heard at the beginning of the program suggest!

I thought the program focused too much on call centres being there only to solve problems or service failures, and failed to highlight the more positive ways in which contact centres serve customers everyday, helping us all to go about our lives. This might have helped the public to see the way companies add value for the customer through positive experiences.

It was good to see further featuring of First Direct in line with being a provider of world-class customer experiences. I think it must have taken some guts for Powergen and First Direct to feature themselves in a program which could have been quite controversial.

I would have loved to have seen more detail on how organisations are revolutionising the way the deal with their customers through cutting edge customer management strategies, however, I don't think this would have mass appeal to the general cutting edge series' audience.

I think the program helped to dispel some of the negative media hype that drives a biased view of call centres and only hope that industry outsiders felt the same.

Jon

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/10/08 10:04 AM as a reply to claudia.

I agree with the comments below that there were some positives in the film and the "above the line language" was good (the film put this together very well to get the training point accross - "that's tremendous!").

What we saw above all thought was the deep negative perception about call centres in the Uk and the issues that surround making sales work for the customer (especially sales on servie calls).

For me it shows the need to take a customer angle on how we plan our call handling policies and our tragets/incentives eg resolving issues, rmoving the root causes and adpating our products - not just handling more nicely things that shouldn't have needed a call in the first place.

Think: "call centres are not about just handling calls"

We didn't see that angle in the film, yet there's some good evidence we are seeing from our members that this is beginning to happen - it would be good to see some of this in the next film!

Paul.

Paul Smedley
Executive Director, Professional Planning Forum
www.planningforum.co.uk

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/10/08 3:54 PM as a reply to claudia.

That old chestnut about perception being reality is a real downer for the call centre industry. Talk to any neutral and they'll give you that wide eyed look of horror they used to reserve for sex workers if you say you're a CCA – although with a little more sympathy than condemnation.

TV programmes, news media, even social networking sites tell us how rubbish call centres are both as places to work and as ways of dealing with customers and so everyone believes it. OK so these programmes are lazy and generic but that perception is the reality we are lumbered with and it is time the industry, together, presented a new face. That service is an honourable and worthy profession, that employees care about their people and their customers and that if we keep delivering quality services via a call centre we can counter this wave of media hostility.

Alternatively we can identify and pick on some telephone oriented community and portray them as even worse than call centres - a bit like how the wheel clampers improved the PR of the traffic warden. Any suggestions?

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RE: Not so cutting edge | 3/12/08 4:20 PM as a reply to claudia.

If C4 were trying to demonstrate how outsources were helping to give workers in poor communities opportunities to move on then they did a pretty good job.

You cannot blame the programme makers for presenting yet another tabloid view of the industry - it sells advertising and pays their bills. And with a title like Phone Rage...!

The programme took an angle, picked up on a few extremes and gave the consumer a view of the fact that these people are human as well and, in many businesses, are being failed by the 'system' they are part of. It's our job to fix this stuff.

If you want a insightful view of the industry then you should listen to the In Business programme that was on BBC Radio 4 a few weeks ago. Focusing on the application of Lean processing to the service industry it picked up on a number of ideas that I think are key - listening to and involving the frontline in a continuous improvement process, cross business engagement on customer issues and knowing which 'levers' will make the most difference to improving service. You can link to the archive of the programme from our website. The ideas explained and encapsulated in this short programme are the ones you should be spreading round your colleagues in marketing, sales, distribution and finance.

David Naylor
Budd
www.budd.uk.com